laws. there is a link there with the super pacs because you see people like me koch brothers who find these super pacs and other entities were tried to get these laws passed appeare. is this an attempted dotard disenfranchisement? is that in explicit strategy? how do you justify it? >> i don't know anybody would have said that that it is a strategy for motor disenfranchisement. >> i said that. they have said that they don't want certain people to vote. >> ok. here's what happens. i have seen firsthand voter fraud. it is probably not as rampant as a lot of people would have you believe. just like the threat on republican dissent french minds -- republican disenfranchisement of people is also not as much as you would believe. i have watched people cast illegal votes and physically tried to stop it. that does not mean that every democrat is a crook or that every one that has one did so by cheating. if you pretend it is not happening, your only kidding yourself. you have a push on the other sid